has the road to the fiscal cliff been a good thing for america? our next guest says yes. he takes a counter intuitive approach to almost everything, and has been financially very successful as a result. his most famous book, "the black swan" was a "the new york times" best seller about events that are essentially outliers, black swans. some credit that book with redistricting the 2008 economic crisis. he has a new book out called "anti-fragile." let's start with a couple of examples so people understand what you mean. you're saying some systems, you apply this in an amazingly comprehensive way to all of life, but some political systems are fragile and some are anti-fragile. for example, you say switserland is anti-fragile. why? >> fragile is something that doesn't like disorder. doesn't like volatility, variability, if something happens, it breaks. probably very fragile place needless to say would be saudi arabia or before arab spring was egypt, same regime for 40 years. something robust doesn't break, doesn't care. something anti-fragile never wastes, has political volat